The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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    Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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Souvik RC
Souvik RC

N M They are.

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rubberchicken8088
rubberchicken8088

korrdavl You are incorrect. The video did not state that thrust was the cause of the pitch up behavior. It is likely a combination of aerodynamic problems as detailed here: https://www.quora.com/What-is-wrong-with-Boeing-737-Max-Aircraft

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Dexter Francis
Dexter Francis

+Guinness - I did not say it was solely down to pilot error. It can always be argued that anything should be designed to be so inherently safe that there is no way for the user to ever be injured. One way to accomplish that is to intrinsically limit the behaviors so that they can never cause a serious injury. The reason the 737 MAX were grounded is laid out in the FAA Emergency Order. (https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/Emergency_Order.pdf) In brief, it states that the Acting FAA Administrator determined that there were enough similarities between the Lion Air and Ethiopian Air events to warrant further investigation. of whether there *might* be a shared cause. In other words - they didn't know the cause(s) and felt it was in the best interest of the public to investigate. At this point Boeing has had the chance to look at the data enough to work up a software change to address at least part of the issue. As for what the fuss, the Order addresses that as well. The FAA has authority over Design, Manufacturing Operation and Training - any one, or two, or all three of which might have contributed to the problem. Are you familiar with the movie "Sully" ?

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Nestor Matos
Nestor Matos

Shame on you Boeing, profits before lives.

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Michael Bodine
Michael Bodine

Pilot err,,,SWITCH for autopilot AUTOMATICALLY levels plane 4:17; {{ ◇Wer NOT Crichton ◇ }};

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mimi
mimi

Isn't this pure negligence by Boeing????

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Michael Bodine
Michael Bodine

It's not T.C.A.S.;;))- beta was T.A. W.S.. Beta software versions are NOT allowed on standard production planes Boeing Inc....GARMIN and BENDIX King will agree....

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Abdi Aziz
Abdi Aziz

Boeing should pay for it’s negligence and recklessness.

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climbeverest
climbeverest

Crooked Boeing

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Collin Castille
Collin Castille

That is why I do not want to ride in a plane. I like to be close to earth not 2000 feet in the air

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dismuke73
dismuke73

Thanks for the explanation! Finally know what no one (Airlines/NTSB) wants to say.A320 for me.

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PARAN RAJ KRISHNA
PARAN RAJ KRISHNA

Well executed vdo

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Big Sosa
Big Sosa

Sorry Trump supporters, your Boeing investments will drop!

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AFN41
AFN41

Can someone tell me why none of the max ever crashed in America?

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Arne Petter Kolderup
Arne Petter Kolderup

MONEY !!

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DM Sour Kush
DM Sour Kush

This is the American Way! Take shortcuts and fix the problem later! When will we learn... SMH

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Lucy Chia
Lucy Chia

Wonder why Boeing make the 737 higher to accomodate the bigger engine.

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Calvin Wynn
Calvin Wynn

Sue the company that only cares about profit!

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Brian steff magnussen
Brian steff magnussen

Boeing again. Lives lost for a profit.

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Emma Louise
Emma Louise

Boeing’s ethics are straight trash 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Lefty Stratocaster Player
Lefty Stratocaster Player

The one thing not mentioned in this video is that early in the development stage of the 737 Max is that Boeing's engineers recommended a redesigned and larger horizontal stabilizer which would have more than compensated for the higher mounted engines which would have eliminated any need for the MCAS system. But this recommendation was overruled by upper management and the company bean counters due to the costs associated with the development and certification of an entirely new stabilizer, and that is why the Max ended up with the inexcusably poorly conceived MCAS.

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Ramiro Escamilla
Ramiro Escamilla

Air bus is a better plane every body knows.

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Karol Arakelian
Karol Arakelian

sad shame to boeing not grounding this airplanes before they crush

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Facelook
Facelook

Ground these planes FOREVER!

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Sean Cleverly
Sean Cleverly

So, same old same old. Profits before peoples safety. Whom ever allowed this plane to roll off the assembly line with the known problem, should now be staring at a prison wall facing multiple life sentences.

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maplewoodsp
maplewoodsp

I am not surprised by this video from Vox. Biased as hell against Boeing.

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Darrius Hello
Darrius Hello

How is it biased?

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Michael Weskamp
Michael Weskamp

Nice explanation with simple words. No need for all the technicalities. So who is to blame? Boeing for implementing it as it was? The Boeing engineers for doing a bad job or the Boeing managers pushing for cutting costs? The FAA for giving the approval? The shortage of manpower at the FAA? The practise to have Boeing engineers sitting in FAA offices doing FAA work since the FAA is lacking people? The government for not having offices staffed with sufficient manpower?

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s dai
s dai

This video suggests that the plane tends to pitch upwards when take off, then enters into stall condition by itself. If it is true, Boeing would share bigger part of the blame. However, another video I watched on youtube was from an instructor/pilot with many years of airline experience. He explained the MAX and the previous model, both flies well. The MAX only behaves differently when it enters into the stall condition. So, there is a difference in opinion. Hope everyone has caught it.

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Donut Monster
Donut Monster

They should add this example to the engineering ethics courses taught at universities.

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vonkruel
vonkruel

These planes have double and even triple redundancy for critical systems, yet Boeing designed MCAS to respond to ONE failing AoA sensor by nosediving the plane. If the two sensors disagreed the system should have automatically disabled itself. More ideally there would be 3 sensors so you could do 2-out-of-3 (majority rules). They could have bolted these inappropriately large engines on & gotten away with it, if they didn't then proceed to try to save money on MCAS as well.

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Jason Smith
Jason Smith

So how many dollars is a life worth now?

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jacky zhu
jacky zhu

Boeing could make the plane taller.

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aditya ananda
aditya ananda

I feel sorry for those who lost their love one

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Salah
Salah

Thanks for sharing, am totally agree with these results

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Matthew Godwin
Matthew Godwin

This what happens when take computers for granted There is million on line on code and Windows 10 keep patching it how we know it wasn't hacked job We hear about data breach every month and some companies will do anything to stay afloat even kill people by hacking hacking I could work for airline but too physical after sport injury

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Isfarina Sarosa
Isfarina Sarosa

one of the victims of the 610 in Indonesia was a friend of mine... she was my junior in campus, and until now, her body has never been found...

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SHOCKER331
SHOCKER331

Yep less govt control.....not always a good thing

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routermen
routermen

boycott boeing. greedy bastards

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Trevor Ross
Trevor Ross

Shame shame shame,I not an expert or anything.But I know from watching other stuff and following things,that putting that engine higher up on the wing would case problems!!!.I think they say that if u do that it reduces the amount of air going over the wings,and thus causing a problem with lift and getting the plane off the ground.And to stay in the air.

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The Magic Short Bus
The Magic Short Bus

Its the A321S NEO that's the new updated plane. The A320 was never a thought in the update "modified" variant.

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The Magic Short Bus
The Magic Short Bus

You're wrong on every level with your video here.

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ThreePhaseHigh
ThreePhaseHigh

Well sooner or later everybody has to die of something. In this case it was sooner than later.

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Brett Voigt
Brett Voigt

Seems like it would have been easier to not put the R&D into the MCAS and just add a lecture to the pilots that you should only use ...% max of throttle at takeoff to avoid the stall issues these amazing engines can cause

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Hayden H
Hayden H

Moving the engine up would reduce the nose-up pitching moment caused by thrust, not increase it. Also, you cannot just see that the nose of the plane was dropping based off an altitude versus time graph, nor can you see that the aircraft was at full thrust. There are many factors that can cause altitude to decrease. To be honest it seems to me like you don't really know what you're talking about and should maybe hire an engineer to put together your presentations. 10/10 on appealing to your audience's emotional side though.

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PointingOutObvious
PointingOutObvious

Short, inadequate training. Poorly tested plane design. No inspection. American callousness and laziness at their finest.

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Eric Xue
Eric Xue

I knew this a month ago

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Learn MMT
Learn MMT

We've reached the point of reverse improvements. 5G is far worse for our health and privacy matters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAP5gbgWom0

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Shawn B
Shawn B

Profits over performance

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Juls Pespes
Juls Pespes

So Boeing was just milking your money! Sad

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iamchampion8
iamchampion8

Why don't the people behind Boeing go behind bars? This is homicide by definition.

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I Love LoL
I Love LoL

Very good and objective video

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I am a Taurus
I am a Taurus

lives lost cuz of what? Some bastard wanted to make more money?

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Montgomery Bojangles
Montgomery Bojangles

WOW Who knew that multi-billion dollar, multi-national companies care SO MUCH about $, and SO LITTLE about human life. Huge shocker

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HITHEREFOLKS
HITHEREFOLKS

very clearly explained

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SuperSnallygaster
SuperSnallygaster

I'm no 737 pilot, but this strikes me as the high-tech equivalent of a simple trim problem. There's got to be more to the story than what's presented here.

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defritzel
defritzel

You can't solve every problem with software..... then to put a software band-aid on top of the problem, is asking for more trouble. You can't screw up the aerodynamics of an aircraft and write a program to fix it. That is arrogance of the highest form....

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mr Exia
mr Exia

The KC-X program, the intense lobbying, the attempt to prevent Bombardier from selling their aircraft to the US then that. Boeing is one of the worst companies in the world. All the executives who signed up to design this plane must go to jail for murder.

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jack black
jack black

greed, money,jobs,ego, greed

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jshowa o
jshowa o

Just so you know. Nobody is going to prison for this.

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Michael Rodeback
Michael Rodeback

You can't say it's the real reason they've crashed because the investigation's aren't over and the official reports haven't come out yet. When pilots are trained to fly a commercial airliner they go through intense training to be certified to fly the plane. They have to get a new type rating if they switch to a new plane that either handles differently or has a different cockpit. The MAX does not fit into either of these criteria and therefore it doesn't need a different type rating. Other than that this is a pretty accurate video. On a side note, the Lion Air pilots should have been able to find the solution to the MCAS problem in the QRH. They're the same procedures as the runaway stabilizer.

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Hien Nguy Thi Anh
Hien Nguy Thi Anh

YAY AIRBUS WILL ROSE AGAIN!!!

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axeman1717
axeman1717

And another Thing ,this is coming from the new York times and they pay there media people to lie

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Michael Backhaus
Michael Backhaus

It sickens me that people may come to this video and actually listen to it as the truth of the situation. MCAS failed but the pilots not following training in how to disable a runaway stabiliser caused the crash. Easier to blame Boeing than a dead pilot.

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Alexlaza
Alexlaza

4.3k dislike for a pure fact video... What is wrong with American rightwingers these days?

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Killian Crausaz
Killian Crausaz

Its crazy to see that Boeing's stock keeps going back up when the problem is not even resolved...

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Brett B.
Brett B.

It’s sad when money and greed get in the way of safety which is pretty much constant at least somewhere.

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piercoucy
piercoucy

and........nobody went to prison!!!!

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axeman1717
axeman1717

you are all stupid people / it wasn't Boeings Fault it was a pilot error All these pilots had to do was flip 2 switches in the cockpit to off position to stop the nose from pointing down, new pilots go to these other Country's trying to build hours in a cockpit of an airplane and dont even think about trying to train on that airplane . this is where the media gets it wrong and tells lies when they dont know the truth. those people died because the pilots didn't study or train to be in that new aircraft and cost everyone there lives so get your facts straight before you post pictures and lies about something. I cant wait until the day comes when the media and people of this world get sued for posting lies on social media

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Robin Lytton
Robin Lytton

Believe this is correct. Compounded by too little actual "flying" by the pilots.

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Mr.NaughtyPants
Mr.NaughtyPants

It's just to much unneeded technology, just to jack up the prices of aircraft. If airlines stop buying them, then they'll change. I'm sure if Airlines say to Boeing, We'd like to buy 30 new aircraft, but you will build them this way and without these items. Boeing will build them that way, or they'd lose the sale to Air Bus. The Airlines control this, not Boeing.

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Ale Esp
Ale Esp

All those responsible should have been jailed!! But the US government and the FAA are filled with corrupt people taking bribes from the highest bitters. The executives are still enjoying their multi-million $$ lifes while all those families are now dead. That's what I called a f*%^ up society.

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exkm4
exkm4

Lol i recently flew on boeing 737 800 but not the max 8 variant and towards the end of the flight in turbulent weather, we got scared but touched down safely. Beoing is ok but no to 737 max 8 variant just can the whole design mcas software coz i personally wouldnt wanna fly in boeing 737 max 8 or any maxs for that matter. Note to airbus, boeing safety matters or you will pay heavy price for negligence.

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Al R
Al R

Complete design flaw and they should be scrapped.

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gene poole
gene poole

The further you move away from stick and rudder.... I'm glad I only have a Learjet 24F. I can handle that.

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Armand Ortiz
Armand Ortiz

And 24 delegates on a plane bound to crash is not suspicious

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sabbage100
sabbage100

One word: Greed

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Mathias A
Mathias A

This is pretty accurate except about some of the engine parts. Actual reason because the B738 MAX 8 crashed is because of the new engines and the trim of the aircraft. When BOEING got the new rolls Royce engines on the max they were WAY more powerful than they needed. This caused the nose to climb like never before. When the engines gave full power on take-off on climb the nose went up and the trim went down. The trim is struggling to keep the plane down. So when the trim is fighting with the engines the trim will face point blank down because of the engines. cuz of the trim could not keep up with the engines and the nose kept climbing it caused the plane to stall and face down. But because of the trim that is already pointed straight down because of the engines you will have pretty much no luck of leveling that aircraft again on a 4-7000 feet altitude.

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Ben Brown
Ben Brown

Wow this video has gone viral!

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Heinz Kot
Heinz Kot

thats a big ooph -.-

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Benjamin Hagel
Benjamin Hagel

5:22 (leftest vox suggesting capitalism is to blame) 🤣

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langweiliges profil
langweiliges profil

Mcasmurderers......

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Michele Pagura
Michele Pagura

Very nice video (despite the sad topic) but I miss something: at 4:58 it says that the plane crashed 4 minutes after the system activation, while the timeline shown earlier in the video states something different. Anyone saw the same inconsistency?

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James Hallchruch
James Hallchruch

This isn't quite right. I was talking to my uncle over the weekend who is a pilot for BA. The Ethiopian airline pilots TRIED to put the trim back into manual, but the manual override also failed. The data showed them several times trying to turn it off but this also failed. I can't imagine anything more terrifying than knowing what the problem is and not being able to stop it, whilst the plane nosedives itself into the ground

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woody wood
woody wood

you are 100% right. the initial problem is with location of the motor: to high. So, the center of gravity moved too...and everything moved up too... So they tried to correct the problem with a "software patch"... Just to make more money...

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F S
F S

A few greedy individuals who will take high risk with other people's lives. Name and shame each one of them right down to the janitor.

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Shikhar Anand
Shikhar Anand

I have always this fascinating question in mind about doing business in North America ethically and then this video gives us a gist of the difficulty.

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Oliver Sansum
Oliver Sansum

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Music4TheSoul
Music4TheSoul

The problem was the system relied on only one sensor instead weighing the readings against the other two sensors, the aerodynamic characteristics are fairly easy to overcome with the system working property the design is a non issue. One thing that Boeing has continued doing that makes their planes prefered over Airbus Planes, is the amount of control afforded to the pilots, Airbus only allows an insignificant level of control over the plane, so when the system goes haywire, which is an ongoing issue, than the pilots have very little control, most of the issues with Airbus flights are quickly written off as pilot error or phantom turbulence in clear calm weather, which is why they're commonly known as Scarebus by the unfortunate people who have flown on them.

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acechandlerac
acechandlerac

All of these lives lost, over some money. They wanted to "keep up" with their rivals and ultimately screwed themselves. I will never step foot on a Boeing.

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callmedaddy叫我爸爸
callmedaddy叫我爸爸

no "made in China" comment now ? oh, made in America

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dive shallow
dive shallow

$$$

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sparkplug964
sparkplug964

In these situation competition is not always what you need?

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MrAngelIsland
MrAngelIsland

The dark side of capitalism.

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Jiarui Zhang
Jiarui Zhang

Boeing need to update their 737, by not only install new engine and wings. It’s 50 yrs old.

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Denzal
Denzal

Boycott Boeing.....

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CANALI Rodriguez
CANALI Rodriguez

If I was on a plane that was crashing. I'm opening the door and jumping. I'll take my chances. Besides were all dead anyways. Let me fly before I die.

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Pauljones
Pauljones

The design and safety team for Boeing should all face manslaughter charges ,I would say I hope Boeing never recover from this but it wouldn’t be fair to their workforce !!!

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Thotaro Joestar
Thotaro Joestar

Just a reminder, aboard the flight were the 19 UN members who sanctioned Israel for war crimes

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Quonsoko Zuwa
Quonsoko Zuwa

Oh. Well never flying boeing

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Роман Белоусов
Роман Белоусов

Сраные американцы - вывернули так, как будто это эйрбас виноват.

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JD
JD

rushed money > proper documentation

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Charles Greco
Charles Greco

Pretend? Silly statement. I'm sure the folks at Boeing did not want their airplane to crash. This video is speculatiopn at best. The pilots are supposed to know their aircraft BEFORE take off, not while the plane is in the air.

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